In the interview, fragments of which were aired on AC360 Thursday night, My Pillow CEO Mike Lindell doubled down on claims that votes that were cast for former President Donald Trump were switched to votes for Joe Biden – claims that have been repeatedly refuted.
Lindell has previously been sued by a voting machine producer, Dominion Voting Systems, for his unfounded claims – but now he says he has proof, without offering any specifics.
‘They did it in all the states,’ Lindell, 60, claimed in the beginning of the segment, to which CNN investigative reporter Drew Griffin responds: ‘And you have the proof that would show the actual change of votes?’
‘Yes, absolutely, 100 percent,’ Lindell replies.
But in a voice over, Griffin says: ‘It is, of course, complete nonsense.’
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In an interview with CNN investigative reporter Drew Griffin, My Pillow CEO Mike Lindell says he ‘absolutely’ has proof votes for then-President Donald Trump were changed to votes for Joe Biden in the 2020 presidential election
But during the segment, Griffin systematically tore into each and every one of his claims
He notes that ‘every piece of so-called evidence’ that Lindell presented failed to prove any hacking or fraud was committed, and said that one piece of ‘evidence’ Lindell submitted to CNN were just images of pictures of data scrolling on a screen that he says does not prove anything.
‘It doesn’t show any specific actions of any kind, election-related or not,’ Griffin explains to Lindell, adding that a cyber expert said it’s ‘proof of nothing.’
‘Well then, you didn’t hire a cyber expert,’ Lindell spits back.
CNN, though, consulted nine different security experts, Griffin explains, ‘who told us Lindell’s screenshots were “extremely rudimentary metadata” and “completely ridiculous.’
Griffin also said he reached out to officials in the 15 counties where Lindell claims votes were hacked and switched, and found out that the counties use paper ballots and their machines are not connected to the Internet.
He said every one of them told CNN there was no evidence they were hacked, to which Lindell replies: ‘So they let you do a full audit?’
Griffin said he went to Delta County, Michigan – where Lindell claims 3,215 votes for Trump were changed to votes for Biden – and found out that the county uses paper ballots
Lindell replied that maybe the county officials are ‘misconstrued because they don’t realize what happened.’ He is pictured here at a Trump rally in Georgia
Griffin said he instead went to Delta County, Michigan – where Lindell claims 3,215 Trump votes were changed to Biden votes, but found that the votes are cast by hand, and county officials compare them to the results from the machine.
‘I don’t think you really understand how votes are cast, collected and tabulated in this country,’ Griffin tells Lindell.
‘You know what, I do,’ Lindell responds. ‘What you don’t understand i that after they’re tabulated, they can get hacked after the fact, which they were because Donald Trump was going to win anyway.’
He denied the idea that county officials audit the ballots, saying: ‘Well, they’re going to have some answering to do.’
‘All of these county officials are lying?’ Griffin asks him in response.
‘I don’t know, they may be misconstrued because they don’t realize what happened,’ Lindell responded.
At one bizarre moment, Lindell asks if Griffin was worried about him and offers him a hug
Lindell is hosting an upcoming symposium which he said ‘will prove the 2020 election was stolen’ from then-President Donald Trump and is offering $5 million to anyone who could prove him wrong
He claims he has proof from multiple ‘super secret’ sources and is offering anyone who could prove him wrong $5 million at his Cyber Symposium later this month.
As Griffin continues to question Lindell on his claims, he responds: ‘Well then, why don’t you come to the symposium and make $5 million.
‘Are you worried about me?’ he asks Griffin. ‘We should give a hug. You’re worried about old Mike? Oh God bless you.’
Completely stone faced, Griffin replies: ‘Here’s what we’re worried about. We’re worried that what you are doing is mistakenly or deliberately destroying the confidence in the legitimately elected president of the United States and fostering what could be -‘
At that point, Lindell cuts him off, claiming he ‘never said anything bad about Biden or Democrats, ever – never, wrong, you’re lying.
‘I’m saying that China did an attack on our election.’
But when Griffin asks him: ‘If you’re wrong, isn’t that very dangerous,’ Lindell replies, ‘Yes, but I’m not wrong. I’ve checked it out, I spent millions.
‘You need to trust me.’
The camera then turns back to host Anderson Cooper in the studio, joking, ‘I kind of trust him,’ before asking Griffin more about the tumultuous interview.
‘The conversation, as you can tell, Anderson goes round and round in circles,’ Griffin replies. ‘I’m telling you after our discussion, I’m not sure Mike Lindell understands how voting works, period, let alone that he has proof of a massive voting conspiracy.
‘He claims to have all these super secret sources, but he never shows those sources, never shows their proof.’
The segment ended with Griffin telling host Anderson Cooper he’s ‘not sure Mike Lindell understands how voting works’
Dominion Voting Systems filed a $1.3billion defamation lawsuit against Lindell and MyPillow for his election fraud claims in April.
Lindell then counter-sued Dominion for $1.6billion, while doubling down on his claims of voter fraud.
He is now saying he will ‘prove the 2020 election was stolen’ at his cyber symposium from August 10 through 12, which will be livestreamed ‘nonstop’ at frankspeech.com.
‘Most people are aware that Mike Lindell has ruffled a few feathers. After all, actively questioning the 2020 election results is a serious point of contention,’ the website reads.
‘Now with a billion-dollar lawsuit with Dominion and millions lost from big name companies pulling his pillows, Mike Lindell has prepared for battle.’
The site continued: ‘Between the release of hot-button documentaries that expose the problems with the results and gathering information, Mike Lindell is ready to begin his showdown.’
‘For opposing the results, the Democratic Party and other dissenters have mocked this effort. Most of all, saying that this data does not exist. However, Mike Lindell is willing to put his money where his mouth is with this upcoming Cyber Symposium!’